11:03:53	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : hello everyone
11:04:09	 From  Ruth Heilbronn : hi everyone
11:04:11	 From  Tricia Bruce : hello lovely people
11:04:23	 From  Claire A : Is the plural of Omnibus Omnibi? or Omnibod? 
11:04:24	 From  Lilian Goldberg : good morning, all
11:04:36	 From  Karen Pollock : morning all from sunny northumberland
11:05:06	 From  Claire A : Lovely to see all the newbies! You are welcome :)
11:05:14	 From  Cara Courage : we can be a very excited bunch :)
11:05:20	 From  gareth davies : Waves at Kaz on the other side of the county
11:05:55	 From  Karen Pollock : waves back!
11:06:36	 From  Karen Pollock : I sometimes use genograms with clients its always interesting what comes out
11:06:41	 From  Rachel Daniels : Morning all! Out in the garden this morning but dodgy contact lenses may mean I am not responsible for what I type badly!!
11:06:42	 From  Sus anne : Nicola thanks for the welcome to us newbies! After 8 sessions I now feel slightly less new
11:06:43	 From  Cara Courage : its both omnibuses and omnibi - but omnibuses the more common
11:06:58	 From  Tricia Bruce : waves to all, especially the names I think I recognise some names from the old BBC Archers message board
11:07:29	 From  Katharine Hoskyn : The plural of omnibus is omnibuses.  I can no longer remember the latin construction that supports that but if waiting at the bus stop - we would normally expect to see two or more buses.
11:07:40	 From  Larissa Cowen : Hello all!
11:07:57	 From  Karen Pollock : what is this 2 buses of which you speak Katharine? lol
11:08:40	 From  Nicola Headlam : hey newbies - gosh Susanne a perfect record
11:08:46	 From  Katharine Hoskyn : At present - unlikely to see any buses.
11:09:14	 From  Karen Pollock : we have 1 an hour at normal times Katharine
11:09:16	 From  gareth davies : Two buses? That's Tuesday and Thursday then
11:09:20	 From  Rachel Daniels : Nice to see Hilda
11:09:24	 From  Claire A : I'm noticing the specific reference to "council estate teens" in this quote - look out for my thoughts on social housing next week....
11:09:30	 From  Larissa Cowen : Very mean looking cat...is it Hilda?
11:09:39	 From  Nicola Headlam : haha Hilda the cat from hell
11:09:59	 From  Susie Lloyd : Ethics <3
11:10:04	 From  J Brown : oh gosh, one rule for them and one for us...  s bit topical!
11:10:17	 From  Karen Pollock : very topical J
11:10:19	 From  Claire A : Spot on J Brown
11:10:21	 From  Nicola Headlam : good advert Claire - Ambridge fairy next week
11:10:29	 From  K-J : very nice touch on ethics there!
11:11:05	 From  Nicola Headlam : ethical considerations always top priority for as
11:11:09	 From  Nicola Headlam : aa
11:11:24	 From  Karen Pollock : remind me of the queer concept of chosen family 
11:13:00	 From  Cara Courage : oh, I forgot to say - questions for the presenters, put them here an we'll come to you, or raise a hand (in the 'participants' dashboard) and it will tell me you have a question
11:13:13	 From  gareth davies : So is the level of detail in your family tree a proxy measure for privilege and its persistence?
11:13:26	 From  Sally Dowling : Newbie here - thank you everyone for being so welcoming
11:13:34	 From  Nicola Headlam : depends - you could be Danny dyer
11:14:06	 From  Karen Pollock : the privilege of being Danny Dyer - discuss :D
11:14:09	 From  Larissa Cowen : Lol - love that episode of WDYTYA?
11:14:17	 From  Nicola Headlam : yep chosen family = key to those cast out for whatever reason
11:14:17	 From  Lucy Saunders : how do genograms avoid bias?  would have thought the emotional connections in particular would reflect the bias of the moment rather than something sustainable.
11:14:18	 From  Sara Thomas : Have genograms ever been presented as structured/linked data? 
11:14:32	 From  Nicola Headlam : they don’t try to avoid bias
11:14:35	 From  Claire A : Good thought @Gareth. Although sometimes it just denotes geographical stability - when my grandma did some genealogy, she found all the records for about 200 years at our local parish record because no one had been anywhere else
11:14:46	 From  Nicola Headlam : they are usually person centred
11:14:49	 From  Bronwen Williams : love genograms being family trees on steroids
11:15:10	 From  Nicola Headlam : so there is no objective truth to how someone weaves the network of their relationships
11:15:38	 From  Cara Courage : @karen, a good Vice article on the queer chosen family https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/ywbkp7/why-queer-people-need-chosen-families
11:16:10	 From  Cara Courage : 'in the face of rejection from one’s family or friends, queer people have built chosen families since time immemorial: families we construct by hand and heart, in an effort to seek out the support and love one’s biological or legal family might not be able to provide.'
11:16:10	 From  Karen Pollock : awesome thank you Cara
11:16:26	 From  Nicola Headlam : I think everyone blends far more these days
11:16:34	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : Have really appreciated living alone during lockdown!
11:16:35	 From  Lucy Saunders : emotions change, often quite quickly, so that makes the genogram very variable. 
11:17:06	 From  Nicola Headlam : yes!
11:17:28	 From  Fiona Gleed : Much dysfunction exposed by lockdown, methinks
11:17:56	 From  Sarah Playfair : @Felicity - me too!
11:17:57	 From  Claire A : Can we get on to the bit which doesn't make me feel terrible for being a bad parent? :-(
11:18:11	 From  Nicola Headlam : which is why it is important not to create rules that limit our category of what is the family
11:18:29	 From  Sarah Playfair : Terrible hay fever say today here in London - anyone else?
11:18:45	 From  Sarah Playfair : day, not say!
11:18:49	 From  Cara Courage : really bad hayfever in brighton
11:18:49	 From  Susie Lloyd : Interesting there about ACEs impacting throughout lifespan on physical AND mental health, life expectancy etc, but one way to reduce this impact is a reliable relationship with another person - thinking about your comments on queer concepts of choosing family - repairing ACEs
11:18:49	 From  Emma Loveridge : Yep, my hayfever is bad.
11:19:00	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : @Sarah P My hayfever started a couple of days ago, have been taking antihistamines
11:19:05	 From  Karen Pollock : Lockdown shows dysfunction and resilance I think Fiona, it doesn't create conditions it simply makes things more of their essential selves
11:19:15	 From  J Brown : oh yes. one days rain in 10 weeks, loads of pollen.
11:19:39	 From  Bronwen Williams : @susie Lloyd I too was thinking about ACEs
11:19:46	 From  Lilian Goldberg : hay fever started a couple of days ago, but dry weather helps
11:20:03	 From  Karen Pollock : do brad and Chelsea have the same father? He is never mentioned
11:20:18	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : @Karen - good question!
11:20:25	 From  Nicola Headlam : yep @karen nowhere to hide
11:20:28	 From  Claire A : The Archers is a really good example of how marrying well can make a massive difference in life chances. Jenny and Lillian both evidence of this
11:20:37	 From  Claire A : And Peggy, with her second marriage
11:20:50	 From  Susie Lloyd : @bronwen, where are you? been big here in Scotland recently, but colleagues in England tell me not so big down there atm
11:21:51	 From  Karen Pollock : Brian is a whole series of Jeremy Kyle episodes
11:22:01	 From  Claire A : Ha Ha @Karen
11:22:09	 From  Fiona Gleed : Goodness yes, Claire. One of the most frustrating aspects of the "old girls" network from my Sloane central boarding school is that the "hons" are held in higher regard than the profs!
11:22:10	 From  Bronwen Williams : @susie I’m in Malvern but v aware of Scotland and also link with animals - one of my interests
11:22:18	 From  Karen Pollock : *sighs* Charlie wherefore art thou
11:22:36	 From  Fiona Gleed : Rewilding the Highlands
11:22:45	 From  Nicola Headlam : that was a classic storm in a teacup wasn’t it? such pearl clutching from people at the lack of morality of others
11:22:56	 From  Nicola Headlam : (Jeremy Kyle I mean)
11:22:57	 From  Susie Lloyd : @Bronwen, interesting! Had no idea about link with animals tbh
11:23:09	 From  Bronwen Williams : @susie we are teaching ACEs in Gloucestershire in safeguarding and I also teach in MH awareness to other agencies
11:24:01	 From  Nicola Headlam : dangly people indeed
11:24:18	 From  J Brown : sadly too small on  my iPad.
11:24:39	 From  Lucy Saunders : favourite because she's gone away?
11:24:49	 From  Nicola Headlam : Debbie!!! ❤️❤️❤️
11:24:51	 From  Susie Lloyd : @Bronwen, that's fab, I only really have a tangential relationship with ACEs  - am SLT, and we're "ACE aware", but I feel our role v much about supporting communication to promote being able to build successful positive relationships
11:24:56	 From  Claire A : I've been trawling old programme summaries for my research recently and they often say something like "Adam disagrees with Brian" or "Brian is at odds with Adam"
11:25:03	 From  Alison Mcnab : Debbie seems much more normal than the other Aldridge’s…
11:25:23	 From  Claire A : @Alison - Debbie got away from the Aldridges
11:25:30	 From  Nicola Headlam : escaped
11:25:36	 From  Bronwen Williams : @susie - I love SaLTs!
11:25:46	 From  gareth davies : There must be a potential Ph D In the impact on literature studies of turning, say, Shakespeare plays into genograms - unless someone's already done it....
11:26:06	 From  Sara Thomas : @Gareth digital humanities for the win!
11:26:07	 From  Lucy Saunders : Phoebe has the classic portfolio work - she's doing some paid research while getting the rewilding project up and running. 
11:26:14	 From  Karen Pollock : interesting indication of what looks like less positive behaviour (eg moving to another country and rarely visiting your family) can actually be a sign of good choices with Debbie
11:26:19	 From  Nicola Headlam : it is quite a well used method and usually fiction as explainer for method
11:26:31	 From  Lucy Saunders : NB Phoebe, with her degree, should really have hotfooted it to London with her peer group ...
11:26:41	 From  Nicola Headlam : I have seen lord of the rings genogram
11:26:44	 From  Claire A : Exactly @Lucy
11:26:50	 From  Karen Pollock : need that Nicola!
11:27:01	 From  gareth davies : @Karen - leaving in the morning with everything you own in a little black case was a positive step for lots of us smalltown boys 
11:27:05	 From  Nicola Headlam : ha will try to find - was long time ago
11:27:13	 From  Karen Pollock : so true @Gareht!
11:27:26	 From  Lucy Saunders : what is the functional model being used here?  to follow all the vows of marriage & get married if you want sex?
11:27:47	 From  Vanessa Wilde : I bet Tracey has some wiggly lines we don’t know about
11:27:56	 From  Nicola Headlam : the heteronormative bourgeois approach
11:28:10	 From  Nicola Headlam : = viewed as the societal norm
11:28:34	 From  Karen Pollock : I don't think so Vanessa, her relationship with the current bloke shows she treats relationships very openly and in healthy manner
11:28:53	 From  Nicola Headlam : but I think lou is subverting the category
11:29:19	 From  Lucy Saunders : I like that distinction between Susan & Emma's ambitions.
11:29:29	 From  Valerie Richards : How can I get to read this please? 
11:29:43	 From  Nicola Headlam : I e in terms of human flourishing and morality horribins beat Aldridges every time
11:30:08	 From  Claire A : I agree Louise re Emma's thwarted housing ambitions. Another plug for my session next week :-)
11:30:33	 From  Sarah Playfair : I agree that Emma will be wanting more in a few years’ time
11:30:53	 From  Nicola Headlam : she used to stay for the Albion kitchen
11:31:02	 From  Karen Pollock : Jennifer truly loves Brian, that's her tragedy
11:31:02	 From  Cara Courage : @valerie, its on p167 of our Custard, Culverts and Cake book 
11:31:04	 From  Lucy Saunders : you could look at this thinking about the effects of money on relationships, because of the dynamic that brings to the relationships. 
11:31:27	 From  Valerie Richards : Thanks cara
11:33:21	 From  Sus anne : can you move the slides on
11:34:06	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : I'm intrigued by Horrobin children/grandchildren I've never heard of: Samantha? Taylor?
11:34:42	 From  Lucy Saunders : was Kate's vandalism part of a campaign against GM crops? 
11:34:59	 From  Fiona Gleed : Didn't Adam assault someone as well?
11:35:12	 From  Pat Brown : Matt
11:35:23	 From  Cara Courage : ...an assult to our ears...
11:35:41	 From  Fiona Gleed : Bunting?!
11:35:55	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : Didn't Phoebe damage somebody's car in S Africa?
11:35:57	 From  Alison Mcnab : How topical!
11:35:58	 From  Lucy Saunders : hmm.  a bit specious to make Matt part of the Aldridge family, he was very late on the scene when the children were grown. 
11:36:17	 From  Karen Pollock : hmmm as if people would ignore rules due to privilege and not be punished
11:36:32	 From  Nicola Headlam : #stayelite
11:36:42	 From  Nicola Headlam : #savelives
11:36:45	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : hahaha @Karen!
11:36:57	 From  Sarah Merry : Didn't Ian (Aldridge by marriage)assault someone 
11:36:58	 From  Sally ‘Wool’ Cadle : Brad and Chelsea are Tracy’s children. Clive has a daughter Kylie who is Johnie’s half sister.
11:37:13	 From  Larissa Cowen : Haha @Nicola
11:38:50	 From  Claire A : @Sarah - I remember Ian punching Rob but we all cheered that one rather than thinking it was inappropriate
11:39:30	 From  Sarah Merry : @Claire I thought it was Rob but couldn't remember the circs. Definitely worth cheering!
11:39:35	 From  Emma Loveridge : They don't own the farmhouse, but they still own the farm.
11:39:37	 From  Claire A : Loving the thoughts on housing tenure and social status, right up my street
11:40:04	 From  Susie Lloyd : love that last thought about Jennifer still being middle class juxtaposed with recent repeat of episode where she realises with shock and disgust that she's related to the Horrobins!
11:40:12	 From  Lucy Saunders : the Aldridges have property - land, buildings on that land, holiday cottages - what they don't have is a family home, that decision seems to be largely motivated by avoiding having Kate, their 40+ year old daughter, live in the house with them.  
11:40:18	 From  Claire A : Roy doesn't own the bit of Willow Farm where Brian and Jenny live now. 
11:40:19	 From  Jill Manasseh : las vegas
11:40:23	 From  Cara Courage : @jimandkate - we'll come to you for your question :)
11:40:31	 From  K-J : wasn't it Vegas?
11:40:45	 From  gareth davies : @Claire - so much of that is based on perception - home ownership is such a bad economic choice for many people - especially in former social housing
11:40:49	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : Alice - Brazil?
11:41:04	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : Oh, that might have been Pip.
11:41:37	 From  Sally ‘Wool’ Cadle : Wasn’t Debbie at uni in Exeter?
11:41:50	 From  Fiona Gleed : Is Oxford graduation still weird? It was a case of booking in for a rotation of ceremonies timed for ampty college rooms
11:41:50	 From  Karen Pollock : its important to differentiate between class and income, whilst income is a form of prividge class priviledge is separate and often has biggest impact before age of 5
11:42:17	 From  Claire A : @Gareth agree re precarious home ownership - a home can be a liability as well as an asset
11:42:48	 From  Claire A : YAY Tracy :-)
11:43:18	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : Still time for Tracy to get together with Oliver ... 
11:43:32	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : best wishes to Sigi
11:43:41	 From  Helen Burrows : Oh yes to Tracy and Oliver
11:43:46	 From  Lucy Saunders : I'm not a big fan of Susan.  except when she is stealing llamas.
11:43:52	 From  J Brown : this would have been an ideal time for Jenny to make the Ambridge website etc a go-to place for information, help etc, but she seemed to have lost interest.
11:43:58	 From  Annie Maddison Warren : Thanks, Lou and Helen. One of my favourite papers!
11:44:12	 From  Nicola Headlam : hear hear brilliant paper
11:44:28	 From  Susie Lloyd : Yes, thank you, this was great!
11:44:32	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : yes Debbie was at Exeter
11:44:35	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : Thank you xx
11:44:51	 From  Bronwen Williams : loved that paper! Thank you!
11:44:54	 From  Karen Pollock : that was brilliant thank you
11:45:43	 From  gareth davies : I find genograms fascinating -  and have learned so much...
11:45:49	 From  Susie Lloyd : I was thinking this same thing at work yesterday! Am now withdrawing on social capital I've invested in pre-lockdown. Very difficult in a new job when have had limited opportunity to build this
11:46:02	 From  Jill Manasseh : dont friends recommend friends
11:46:13	 From  Roberta Wedge : There are ways to develop social capital in lockdown. Phone calls to the lonely, for example. 
11:46:46	 From  Karen Pollock : but unless you break boundaries that's not going to increase your social capital is it Roberat?
11:46:51	 From  Alison Mcnab : Really interesting paper - thanks!
11:47:05	 From  Sara Thomas : Loved this, thanks! 
11:47:09	 From  Valerie Richards : Never seen a genogram at all before so found it very interesting.  Just wish my old eyes could have seen them better.
11:47:17	 From  Susie Lloyd : agreed - anecdotally and own experience, suddenly so many more people developing relationships with neighbours now
11:47:19	 From  Lucy Saunders : Tracy does care about what people think of her - its important to win at cricket not just to play. 
11:47:23	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : Happy to supply the genograms on the facebook group
11:47:32	 From  Claire A : I think that the new arrivals to Academic Archers during lockdown omnibus shows the ability to build social capital during lockdown
11:47:42	 From  Tricia Bruce : we have been talking about exactly that at work.  WFT is relatively straightforward because we have mostly all worked together for a long time  it will be much more difficult to integrate new members of staff 
11:47:43	 From  Jill Manasseh : emma learned from jim
11:47:45	 From  Valerie Richards : Yes please Louise..
11:47:54	 From  Karen Pollock : interesting point Claire
11:48:01	 From  Susie Lloyd : Interesting in Ambridge which is a village and already social networks are very local
11:48:14	 From  Roberta Wedge : I don't just mean the official schemes for the officially vulnerable - but this is an excellent time to reach out to all the people you've been meaning to get in touch with, maybe ones you never even met, to say are you OK. Especially the older and wiser, with their networks to tap in to.
11:48:29	 From  Lilian Goldberg : the only way to increase social capital at the moment is to be the one organising the Zoom meetings, keeping people together, introducing people virtually etc.
11:48:32	 From  Tim Vercellotti : Good point regarding politics. Nothing works better than some hustle and persuasion.
11:48:33	 From  Karen Pollock : Putting on online events for example is definitely a way people are trying to increase social capital
11:48:44	 From  christinenarramore : I’ve actually been building my social capital at work, by volunteering for all kinds of new initiatives across the organisation.  Especially ones designed to help with social isolation.
11:48:48	 From  Karen Pollock : ahhh I see your point Roberat
11:48:56	 From  gareth davies : @Claire paradigm shifts are ruthless in the way they change what we value as 'social capital' - and pandemics are by definition paradigm shifts
11:49:03	 From  Sally ‘Wool’ Cadle : Chris voted for Harrison so not family loyalty there either.
11:49:13	 From  Lucy Saunders : agree with Roberta Wedge and Lilian Goldberg that it is possible to nurture yr social capital via online opportunities.
11:49:17	 From  Karen Pollock : Lilian exactly why I help run seminars for counsellors every Saturday afternoon !
11:49:18	 From  Claire A : People with privilege (Eg Harrison) haven't had to struggle for status like people like Tracy are willing to
11:49:37	 From  Alison Mcnab : However, did Tracey begin to blossom after Oliver employed her at GG? In which case we’re back to the patriarchy
11:49:59	 From  Sarah Spilsbury : Ah, but she was under Lynda's tutelage...
11:50:18	 From  Claire A : @Alison I have theories about Oliver which are more about old style Noblesse Oblige than patriarchy. It plays out in the Grundy's home at Grange Farm too
11:50:20	 From  Fiona Gleed : Are we sure Harrison hasn't struggled? Didn't he work as a stripper?
11:50:21	 From  Karen Pollock : we ever escape the Patriarchy Alison? :D
11:50:24	 From  Tricia Bruce : after Oliver believed in her *sigh*
11:50:25	 From  Roberta Wedge : Online opportunities - but also old-fashioned phonecalls, and even letters, post cards - plus also the village shop, dropping off groceries to those who need it and doorstep chats, etc. Lots of ways, in theory.
11:50:26	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : We are having church social events by video calls as well as worship, and I'm finding it really helpful for getting to know people (i.e. building social capital) because I'm fairly new to the congregation.
11:50:49	 From  Lucy Saunders : its about what causes shame, that is what has changed so much between Jenny having an illegitimate child to now.
11:51:06	 From  J Brown : Harrison gets on by following the rules, making everyone else follow them, not rocking the boat etc...it’s the nature of th organisation he works for, so it will spill over into his social life. Tracey has recently got on by being up front with Oliver, so she will repeat those behaviours
11:51:28	 From  Claire A : @J Brown -absolutely agree
11:51:46	 From  Fiona Gleed : Has anyone seen the Tatler article on the Duckess of Cambridge?
11:52:19	 From  Sara Thomas : @fiona I've seen the commentary and the fallout from it.... seems like a major misfire
11:53:10	 From  Fiona Gleed : I've only read it via twitter @sara; getting traumatic flashbacks to tight protocols at school and Sandhurst
11:53:20	 From  Lucy Saunders : we know the Aldridges are comfortable using Skype as they are often skyping grandchildren in Africa.  no mention of zoom yet ...
11:53:22	 From  Helen Burrows : Is there a way of recording the chat so we can read it again later because it's brilliant and I'd love to read it all again!
11:53:41	 From  Sara Thomas : @fiona my not-so guilty pleasure is a blog called Celebitchy, they've done some good stories on it... 
11:53:42	 From  Alison Mcnab : Jenny organising the village via her website editing during lockdown?
11:54:00	 From  Karen Pollock : Helen it is possible for the hosts to dowlaod the chat
11:54:03	 From  Sarah Merry : Cara should be able to save the chat as a text file as the host.
11:54:05	 From  Katharine Hoskyn : Its only 8pm in Melbourne.
11:54:05	 From  Cara Courage : yes I have those and can share them on the website if people are OK with that
11:54:15	 From  Susie Lloyd : Yes please! been v interesting
11:54:19	 From  Sara Thomas : yes please!
11:54:20	 From  Nicola Headlam : yep
11:54:25	 From  Claire A : @Helen -yes I'm hoping to have a record of the chat next week to inform my book chapter. @Cara and @Nicola can you help?
11:54:28	 From  Helen Burrows : YES! Thank you Cara xx
11:54:32	 From  Karen Pollock : sorry for the DM Nicola!
11:54:33	 From  Roberta Wedge : A way to capture the chat is to copy and paste it to a blank doc. So CTRL+A or whatever works on your syster.
11:54:38	 From  J Brown : 👍🏽
11:55:08	 From  gareth davies : @Alison - I think lockdown has been an accelerator in the process of websites being almost obsolete
11:55:30	 From  Karen Pollock : as in everything is on Facebook @Gareth?
11:55:45	 From  Alison Mcnab : @gareth But Jenny won’t know that..
11:56:22	 From  gareth davies : @Karen - and beyond - oh the joys of trying to reach young men with public health messages lol...
11:56:29	 From  Valerie Richards : celebrating a 50th anniversary under lockdown I am proud to have shared my life with a true partner and best friend. Building something together in partnership is a great achievement.  I realise others are less lucky and  many marriages don't work.  I am still happy that mine that started when we were 18 & 19 has worked.
11:56:40	 From  Jim and Kate : what did Gav do to Roy's phone apart from cancelling DJ
11:56:50	 From  Nicola Headlam : that is wonderful @valerie
11:56:53	 From  Sarah Playfair : There is a button called File at the  bottom - does that save the whole chat?  I haven’t tried…..
11:56:58	 From  Lucy Saunders : disagree with @garethdavies - websites not obsolete, look at how much shopping gets done on websites now.  LL should be selling stuff online in a desperate attempt to have some revenue.
11:57:33	 From  Cara Courage : file is to add files - a select all and copy/paste will work
11:57:34	 From  Fiona Gleed : Will AA reach the REF?
11:57:39	 From  Nicola Headlam : I celebrate 17 years with my husband this summer and am very lucky with him too
11:57:41	 From  Sarah Merry : @Sarah Playfair No unfortunately not. Only Cara has the power to save the chat!
11:58:03	 From  Roberta Wedge : I saved the chat of previous weeks.
11:58:14	 From  Sarah Playfair : Thanks @Sarah Merry!
11:58:25	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : I think it's fantastic that you've both reached those milestones in a good, healthy, loving relationship. It's a massive achievement. Need to have big celebrations once you can!
11:58:25	 From  Alison Mcnab : Dog has just come into the room - and is looking very puzzled as there’s an unknown voice but no person in the room….
11:58:38	 From  Nicola Headlam : I don’t mean to say that marriage is dysfunctional at all just that expectations and status afforded to some relationships
11:58:38	 From  Helen Burrows : hehehe
11:58:44	 From  Karen Pollock : @gareth I can imagine that's really hard
11:59:42	 From  gareth davies : @Lucy - Online retail is the huge exception to the rule - but in area I work in (public sector) there's a huge shift as we all realise that websites are not custoemrs first choice for info
12:00:21	 From  Sarah Playfair : @Gareth In my world of work websites are very important
12:01:22	 From  Lucy Saunders : @Gareth I'm still going to websites for info, usually searching for something I can print out.  but then I don't do digital activities on a phone if I can help it, which is probably the key difference.
12:01:31	 From  Sarah Playfair : @Gareth Not interactive, but as source of information
12:01:49	 From  George : TikTok has a growing scientific community using it to communicate.
12:02:00	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : @Nic agree. And some women (I don't know about men because my research/work has been woman focussed) stay in marriages for all kinds of reasons. I think hitting the menopause can be a trigger for women to realise that they're in a dead space, and that they want something more from life than the continued existence of what was, similar to those who keep on going until the children leave home. But then there are those who keep on keeping on out of fear - fear of the unknown, fear of how they'll survive - sometimes as the result of years of coercive control. Every marriage that is built on a loving partnership is incredible, but I wonder what the percentage of those is?
12:02:00	 From  Lucy Saunders : where did the Paul Roe paper appear?  couldn't see that on the slide, as the boxes of people were over it.
12:02:17	 From  gareth davies : @Lucy - that shift from desk and laptops to handhelds has been a huge change
12:02:26	 From  Karen Pollock : difference between digital native and digital immigrants Lucy, I think printing stuff out is seen as a key indicator of which you belong to
12:03:14	 From  J Brown : size of screen too, if your eyesight isn’t good a phone is pretty slow and clumsy.
12:03:14	 From  Lucy Saunders : I find printing something out means that I don't have to bat between screens all the time … 
12:03:47	 From  Sarah Spilsbury : That's his best side is it?? LOL
12:03:51	 From  Alison Mcnab : If you’re interested in work on digital natives and digital immigrants, check out writing by Donna Lanclos and by Dave White
12:03:54	 From  gareth davies : @Lucy - Intenrational security review or somesuch?
12:03:56	 From  Sarah Playfair : The one thing I find that I cannot do satisfactorily on a screen, however big, is proof-reading
12:04:23	 From  Claire A : @Sarah I am also of the generation who needs it on paper to proofread
12:04:38	 From  gareth davies : Sorry - Review of International Studies - 
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0260210508008279 - I knew I had it in Mendeley
12:04:56	 From  J Brown : information retention is lower from a screen than from paper format. applies to the young as well as the old.
12:05:06	 From  Vanessa Wilde : agree Sarah re onscreen proofing  here the typos that litter websites
12:05:28	 From  Susie Lloyd : I have also found it really hard to mark bigger pieces of work, or edit the overarching structure and narrative of my own writing without being able to print off...
12:05:34	 From  Ruth Heilbronn : Roy has an unfortunagte relation with his phone re Gavin story recently before lockdown hit Ambridge
12:05:45	 From  Sara Thomas : @susie YES. Wholly agree! 
12:06:32	 From  Lucy Saunders : will investigate Landos & White on Digital Native'ness, remember reading Being Digital by Negroponte many years ago ...
12:06:34	 From  gareth davies : @Susie - that need to have stuff on paper has derailed every project I've worked on to reduce council's consumption of paper...
12:07:16	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : Villagers crowed when our local (up himself) councillor went to Spain with his wife, leaving their teenage (still at school) children at home. They had a facebook advertised party and it was a disaster. Social justice was deemed to have been done. He had a pretty bad reputation for being a bully of those on benefits. It was interesting to watch that
12:07:36	 From  Alison Mcnab : @lucy I still have my copy of Being Digital…
12:07:37	 From  Karen Pollock : that separation can be vital for LGBTQ ppl who aren't out, right now
12:08:03	 From  Susie Lloyd : big fab on online for some things - reading and writing works well for a lot of things, great for collaborating and smaller details. Really difficult for getting a bigger conceptualisation of what you're looking at I think
12:08:05	 From  Lucy Saunders : @Alison Mcnab … I've still got my copy too, can't move fast enough to go dig it out. 
12:10:57	 From  Lucy Saunders : Rob could have demanded access to Helen's social media accounts & could have monitored her activity.  in theory, Ambridge Organics has been selling online for some years so you'd expect Helen who has developed the direct sales side of the business the most would be very present on social media.
12:11:00	 From  Susie Lloyd : Also in controlling relationships, access to social media/online support and info also often controlled and monitored. Perhaps diffciult to present on the radio
12:11:39	 From  Sarah Merry : @Karen - do you mean the separation between online and offline life/visibility/presentation?
12:11:47	 From  Roberta Wedge : How to integrate digital into a radio soap? These lockdown weeks of interior monologues may present a way. 
12:12:02	 From  Claire A : Does anyone else remember when Tom tried to make his footballing pig videos go viral as part of a marketing campaign for the sausages?
12:12:08	 From  Lucy Saunders : interested to know more about why it would be impossible to have a modern slavery story without digital.  would have thought the slaves finances are controlled so they don't have access to digital. 
12:12:12	 From  Helen Burrows : I'd be really interested to explore digital exclusion in Ambridge - such an aging population - how many are digitally connected? Do they have Skype facilities at The Laurels? How are they managing contact with family during lockdown.  Oh dear, may have thought of more than one new paper I want to write now about Lockdown issues.....! 
12:12:17	 From  gareth davies : Is it time for the Archers to go fully multi platform with characters having fully fledged social media lives?
12:12:27	 From  K-J : yes! pigball!
12:12:32	 From  Helen Burrows : Gareth  yes I think so!
12:13:01	 From  Claire A : Many spoof Twitter accounts for Archers characters are a feature of the fan world as per Jerome Turner's paper
12:13:03	 From  Lucy Saunders : was thinking that you could have a visual thread of social media activity for the characters. 
12:13:07	 From  Karen Pollock : yes Sarah, especially using social media accounts LGBTQ young people can be authentic selves when it is not safe to do so at home, using anon accounts ect. Right now advice from all orgs is not to come out, so other channels to be true self v important 
12:13:25	 From  Roberta Wedge : "Queer as Folk" was supposed to be innovative in presenting much of the action via mobile phones (20 years ago). One of Evelyn Waugh's early novels was also innovative in driving the action via (landline) phone calls.
12:13:26	 From  J Brown : social media is largely silent unless someone relays it to an other.... not intersting radio often.... “here’s a funny video” “did you read that bit about EM?”
12:13:32	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : I can imagine Jill checking into her covid app every day
12:13:37	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : And Lynda
12:13:58	 From  Susie Lloyd : Another great paper, thanks so much!
12:13:59	 From  Fiona Gleed : There's always a tweet...
12:14:04	 From  Claire A : Bet the Aldridge Family WhatsApp group is fun to look at
12:14:04	 From  Sara Thomas : that was great, thanks!
12:14:10	 From  Karen Pollock : thank you so much 
12:14:14	 From  Fiona Gleed : Brilliant.
12:14:40	 From  Sarah Merry : @Karen - it's so important. When I did my PhD I talked to a lot of people who needed that separation - not just LGBTQ+ people, but those with unusual interests of various sorts.
12:14:51	 From  gareth davies : I loved that paper... and real links to one of my work obsessions
12:14:55	 From  Susie Lloyd : I love when e.g. TV shows break the 4th wall and incorporate jokes about their characters not being able to use mobiles, or oppositie in e.g. Sherlock where it's fully incorporated but withint the program
12:14:58	 From  Lucy Saunders : think you're rather flattering the #thearchers tweetalong to call it analysis … (am active participant)
12:15:01	 From  Karen Pollock : ohhh Sarah I would love to read that is it online?
12:15:33	 From  Alison Mcnab : The digital amplification of The Archers has added so much to my enjoyment and kept me as a listener when I’ve dropped out of so much regularly scheduled radio and TV…
12:15:47	 From  Lucy Saunders : been waiting for Natasha to bring the digital world to Ambridge, but nothing.
12:15:53	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : I always imagine Kate would be a hashtag user in her conversations.
12:16:02	 From  Jonathan Hustler : Great papers. Thank you all. See you next week,
12:16:04	 From  Claire A : @Lucy Yes Natasha should be doing more online
12:16:12	 From  Karen Pollock : one of the things I noticed about the tweet along is getting slightly grumpy about newcomers - realised it was virtual transference - I was being an ambridge resident disliking the newcomer!
12:16:17	 From  Ruth Heilbronn : Natasha has developed an app surely ? 
12:16:18	 From  Helen Burrows : yes Lou, agree
12:16:33	 From  Lucy Saunders : why not have a parish council meeting on zoom?  seems sensible to me.
12:16:43	 From  Sarah Playfair : Important  question - how is Nic’s back?
12:16:49	 From  Karen Pollock : Lucy our parish council is next week
12:17:00	 From  gareth davies : @Lucy - us tech savvy clerks are doing it so AMbridge need to keep up!
12:17:01	 From  Claire A : @Lucy I participated in my Village Parish Council meeting via Zoom last week
12:17:13	 From  Sara Thomas : @sarah @karen there's a push by soc med tech companies to amalgamate online identity - Zuckerberg's old comments about no such thing as privacy etc - because it makes the individual more easily turned into a piece of data.  Interesting / difficult / dangerous for what that does to how we understand subjectivity; what part of our identity(ies) we choose to put online..
12:17:13	 From  Jim and Kate : excellent paper.    internet is so fundamental to normal life that lack of online access is itself
12:17:20	 From  Jill Manasseh : I dont see why Tracey and Harrison do phone canvassing
12:17:22	 From  Jim and Kate : a discussion item
12:17:40	 From  Jill Manasseh : meant dont do
12:17:41	 From  Jim and Kate : sorry,  hit enter too early!
12:17:54	 From  Emma Loveridge : It can be bad enough being in normal meetings with people not familiary with Zoom.  I don't think I can cope with hearing all TA full of, "you're on mute."  "Can the person with the dog in the background mute themselves?"  "How do I share the screen?"  I have work for that... (it's a lot better with this group, I have to say!)
12:18:04	 From  Helen Burrows : Jill- both were phone canvassing I thought
12:18:15	 From  Karen Pollock : @sara the hill I will die on is the right of people to have multiple online identities - its vital for so many margenlised people
12:18:21	 From  Sara Thomas : "digital by default" is hugely exclusionary....
12:18:23	 From  gareth davies : @Jill - echoes of a past life but phone canvassing is becoming hugely inefficient for political parties - contact rates are so low
12:18:24	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : @Emma - YES!
12:18:28	 From  Sara Thomas : @Karen wholeheartedly agree
12:18:37	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : agree re proof reading and retention of information - paper is better!
12:18:38	 From  Jill Manasseh : thought Harrison emailed every one
12:18:42	 From  Lucy Saunders : @Emma surely the SWs could make the assumption that everyone had learnt that by now, given they've had a 3 week entry into lockdown?
12:19:10	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : People usually have to WhatsApp me to tell me they've emailed me. 
12:19:34	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : absolutely
12:19:43	 From  Karen Pollock : very well said
12:19:45	 From  Larissa Cowen : We've been carrying on with monthly WI meeting using Zoom but a lot of members are not joining in with them...it is not always the members I would have predicted would have avoided a digital way of gtting
12:19:45	 From  Annie Maddison Warren : Quote of the week to Nic this week!
12:19:46	 From  Emma Loveridge : They could make that assumption, but then there are lots of other assumptions they could make.
12:19:48	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : re last weekend
12:19:55	 From  Sally ‘Wool’ Cadle   to   Cara Courage(Privately) : @Jan Harrison was on the phone to Chris when he saw the lads that he arrested.
12:19:55	 From  Cara Courage : would Dom have driven through Borsetshire to get to Durham..? 
12:20:02	 From  Larissa Cowen : #getting together
12:20:05	 From  Fiona Gleed : Does Durham still have a different telecoms set up?
12:20:14	 From  Helen Burrows : No, not from London Cara
12:20:22	 From  gareth davies : @Cara - would he have been testing his eyesight if he did?
12:20:24	 From  Claire A : @Cara no, Borsetshire is on the west side of the country
12:20:30	 From  Karen Pollock : Larrissa Quakers have meeting on zoom every week and I have noticed the same, not always who you would have expcted
12:20:40	 From  J Brown : is the reward (enjoyment) of a zoom WI meeting worth setting the time aside for in comparison to a f2f meeting? maybe not for that person.
12:20:42	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : @Larissa - I think this has been an issue with our church Zoom stuff too, but now they are offering the possibility of connecting via phone.
12:20:49	 From  Cara Courage : @claire, of go on, play along …. :)
12:20:50	 From  Roberta Wedge : The quack LOL
12:20:55	 From  Sarah Merry : @Karen yes it is though that is a very tiny part of it! It was about the internet and friendship, but it was something which came up a lot in interviews. It's where my fan studies work started, really.
12:21:14	 From  Lucy Saunders : @Larissa we've found the same with our WI group - we're having to make a concerted effort to connect with members who are not joining in on zoom.  
12:21:15	 From  Sarah Playfair : @Fiona - I think Hull used to, but Durham, too?
12:21:39	 From  Lucy Saunders : I'm v interested in the right to multiple online identities. where do I find out more about this?
12:21:53	 From  gareth davies : Don't remember durham having different telecoms when I lived there
12:22:00	 From  Sara Thomas : An in-person meeting and a digital meeting have different values and engagement levels; many who don't feel comfortable with f2f much more comfortable with digital, and vice versa, feeling truly comfortable in both is an expectation but more rare than we realise, I think. 
12:22:03	 From  Alison Mcnab : Hull had the fab Kingston Communications and cream phone boxes
12:22:10	 From  Claire A : @Nicola your point about medium is really interesting and links to my paper from this year about why fans choose different FB groups/Twitter/other formats to comment on The Archers
12:22:18	 From  Fiona Gleed : White phone boxes is all I remember. It's the kind of thing my Dad used to talk about when he was working as a computer crime consultant!
12:23:03	 From  Sarah Playfair : We are facing the cancellation of yet another festival and are trying to find a way to include both tech savvy and those not online in getting content
12:23:12	 From  Cara Courage : @rtuh, coming to you!
12:23:24	 From  Sarah Merry : @Karen @Sara agreed! This is a conversation we should have in a pub sometime when we're able to!
12:23:39	 From  Sara Thomas : @sarah not sure of the kind of festival, but worth looking at what Beltane Fire Society, and Knockengorroch did in Scotland...
12:23:43	 From  Karen Pollock : YeS!
12:23:49	 From  Sara Thomas : @sarah :) 
12:24:03	 From  gareth davies : I'm also a huge advocate for freedom of identity online
12:24:04	 From  Katharine Hoskyn : A comment that is a bit late.  There is a paper around somewhere that shows that proofreading is better done on paper than on screen - even for young people who are used to reading on screen.   There is a physiological reason for it.
12:24:10	 From  K-J : brillian idea 👏👏👏🦆🦆🦆
12:24:18	 From  Lucy Saunders : can I join the conversation about the difference between f2f and digital meetings and how to get people comfortable in either situation?
12:24:19	 From  Karen Pollock : except now I am thinking of duckspeak Nicola
12:24:23	 From  Helen Burrows : Is a Quack how ducks Tweet?
12:24:38	 From  Roberta Wedge : And I'd made that point about the tongue-slip quack on here, by typing - how does that overlap, our speech and our fingers?
12:24:40	 From  K-J : yes!
12:24:46	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : Just want to say hello to Rosalind. *waves* Hope you are well  
12:25:05	 From  gareth davies : @Sara - have been in planning meetings thios week for how we do a film festival and a literary festival online... I keep citing academic archers as a good example!
12:25:23	 From  Sarah Playfair : Thanks, @Sara - ours is a festival of new opera - I will look at your suggestions - ours is already announced as being largely in the imagination via a number of different routes…….
12:25:47	 From  Roberta Wedge : So we see the difference between those able to join in only by listening, or by listening and reading simultaenously  (access differential indeed).
12:26:29	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : I'm on a steering group and was the only clinician amongst a group of parents (and facilitators) and it was turned into a bit of a bully fest. Things being said that might not have been said if we were all in the same room. 
12:26:53	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : so pleased you both met on Twitter!
12:26:54	 From  Helen Burrows : Didn#t realise you'd never met before the first conference, Nic and Cara!
12:26:55	 From  Sara Thomas : @gareth yes!  @sarah happy to chat about any of this - one of my hats is that I work in events / training that have been pivoting to online, find me if the FB group if I can help at all :) 
12:27:13	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : I wonder if Zoom allows for people to say things they wouldn't normally say in real life, like social media.
12:27:16	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : (but not as toxic)
12:27:23	 From  Lucy Saunders : I would love it if f2f was no longer at the top of the hierarchy. but then again, I'm a happy introvert. 
12:27:27	 From  Larissa Cowen : I've seen something about how much more tiring digital meetings are in comparison to f2f - appreciate how @Nicola's partner feels
12:27:37	 From  Sarah Playfair : @Sara @Gareth - straight online is perfectly possible and in opera rather obvious as so much us already streamed - we are trying to do something different!  Our work is essentially experimental and we need a rather different approach which also includes some content for people who are not online.
12:27:59	 From  Nicola Headlam : haha @helen I thought we had told this story
12:28:13	 From  Ruth Heilbronn : zoom is difficult for hearing impaired 
12:28:25	 From  Susie Lloyd : This reminds me of people doing talks who prefer not to use microphone, and put onus onto the audience members to publicly request their needs are met by saying "not going to use the mic unless anyone needs it"
12:28:39	 From  louise.gillies@gmail.com : Work can be a bit escape for me - 7-8 of us in my house under lockdown. Work is respite
12:28:47	 From  gareth davies : @Sarah - it's been intriguing because one of the festivals is a new media and film festival, and we're so desperate not to lose innovationas it transitions to a flat screen..
12:28:57	 From  Sara Thomas : @lucy I think it's interesting - very muc hagree that it doesn't need to be, not always...
12:29:05	 From  Larissa Cowen : Massive access needs & also people who communicate/understand communication by so much more than verbal or basic visual information
12:29:10	 From  Karen Pollock : ohh Nicola I must get a picture of the flowers by the front door
12:29:27	 From  Alison Mcnab : There are copyright / licensing issues with streaming live events.  Places of worship have had to obtain extended streaming licenses in order to include a musician(s) input
12:29:36	 From  Sara Thomas : @susie ugh, yes
12:29:47	 From  Sarah Playfair : @Gareth I understand that - our discussions have been wide-ranging, indeed!
12:29:51	 From  Roberta Wedge : Also remember all those for whom English is not their first language. (I used The Archers with my students.)
12:29:56	 From  Sarah Merry : I have an interest in lurking so the ways in which people are non-participating on Zoom/Teams etc are fascinating. It's far more stressful than f2f meetings.
12:30:17	 From  Alison Mcnab : Lots of articles (both scholarly and popular) on Zoom overload and why our brains can’t copr
12:30:35	 From  Felicity Macdonald-Smith : @Sarah M - yes, v stressful trying to look interested all the time (not this morning obvs!)
12:30:47	 From  Sara Thomas : @sarah m being talked *at* is so much more tiring than being involved interactively in the presentation - conference vs hackathon, for example. 
12:30:48	 From  Katharine Hoskyn : New Zealand psychologists suggest that you should still travel to work when working from home. Travel in the sane way as usual So cycle round the outside of the house or walk around the outside of the house or if you usually travel on the motorway -go and sit in the car without moving for an hour!  (I
12:31:18	 From  gareth davies : @Alison - I'm desperate to see some multi dimensional studies on that stuff - pretty much the future of local governance
12:31:19	 From  Karen Pollock : thank you again for a brilliant morning everyone and two great papers
12:31:23	 From  Sarah Playfair : @Katharine and where is your lovely topiary?
12:31:27	 From  Sarah Merry : Brill, thanks, Cara! I'd like the chat from the week I did mine as well.
12:31:28	 From  Lucy Saunders : fantastic, thank you so much, the link to the chat much appreciated, I feel I've really missed most of it. 
12:31:32	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : MS Teams meetings more tiring than normal face to face
12:31:37	 From  Fiona Gleed : Loving the cycle idea. My son gave me a resistance trainer for my birthday so I can cycle in my mini garden now!
12:31:40	 From  Katharine Hoskyn : Two great papers again
12:31:44	 From  Ruth Heilbronn : yes  Thku for great papers and chat 
12:31:46	 From  Helen JUBB : Thank you again. Wishing everyone a lovely, sunny weekend.
12:31:55	 From  Roberta Wedge : For those who do Facebook....
12:31:56	 From  Helen Burrows : Yes, I'd love the chat from the week I did my fandom paper
12:31:58	 From  J Brown : so we do like reading and not just talking....in order to get the benefit and remember something....?
12:32:01	 From  K-J : teams is the spawn of the devil!
12:32:02	 From  Lucy Saunders : got to go - off to raise money for Refuge by flogging chocolate mint plants - see you another time.  v much enjoyed.
12:32:08	 From  Karen Pollock : Katharine I walk after work every day to try end the day 
12:32:09	 From  J Brown : hate Teams too.
12:32:15	 From  Deborah’s iPhone : great papers and discussion - the group on Facebook is wonderful
12:32:15	 From  Christine Coulson : Really enjoyed this session again.  Thank you to the presenters.  Have a lovely week everyone
12:32:20	 From  Tim Vercellotti : Excellent papers. So many interesting points to think about until we meet again.
12:32:28	 From  George : Thanks again,
12:32:31	 From  Helen Burrows : Do find it hard to use chat at the same time as concentrating on what the speaker is saying
12:32:37	 From  Vanessa Wilde : fascinating papers and conversation thanks
12:32:38	 From  Sarah Playfair : Thanks everyone, especially the presenters!
12:32:39	 From  Katharine Hoskyn : The topiary is Hever Castle - in Kent. I think Hever is in Kent or is it the next county
12:32:52	 From  Sara Thomas : Thanks everyone!  Lovely way to start a Saturday :) 
12:32:54	 From  Sarah Merry : This should be a two hour session. I love it so much.
12:33:00	 From  Maggie Dorsman : thanks to all!
12:33:07	 From  Emma Loveridge : Thank you all!
12:33:07	 From  Alison Mcnab : Wow at the peonies